worthwhile conversation...

... I just recently read an conversation between Leanne Simpson, a Canadian First Nations author, poet, and Idle No More activist, and Naomi Klein. Very well worth reading... I especially appreciated the concept of (and coining of the term) "extractivism" — so descriptive of our (western, capitalist) culture. The complete interview is available at Yes! magazine — in the meantime, a few vital passages:

(Leanne) "We’re running out of time. We’re losing the opportunity to turn this thing around. We don’t have time for this massive slow transformation into something that’s sustainable and alternative. I do feel like I’m getting pushed up against the wall... I think that the impetus to act and to change and to transform, for me, exists whether or not this is the end of the world. If a river is threatened, it’s the end of the world for those fish. It’s been the end of the world for somebody all along."

(Leanne) "One of the stories I tell in my book is of working with an elder who’s passed on now, Robin Greene from Shoal Lake in Winnipeg, in an environmental education program with First Nations youth. And we were talking about sustainable development, and I was explaining that term from the Western perspective to the students. And I asked him if there was a similar concept in Anishinaabeg philosophy that would be the same as sustainable development. And he thought for a very long time. And he said no. And I was sort of shocked at the “no” because I was expecting there to be something similar. And he said the concept is backwards. You don’t develop as much as Mother Earth can handle. For us it’s the opposite. You think about how much you can give up to promote more life. Every decision that you make is based on: Do you really need to be doing that?" (my emphasis)

(Leanne) "If I look at my ancestors even 200 years ago... they didn’t rely on material wealth for their well-being and economic stability. They put energy into meaningful and authentic relationships... I think that extended to how they found meaning in life. It was the quality of those relationships—not how much they had, not how much they consumed—that was the basis of their happiness."

(Leanne) "In order to make these changes, in order to make this punctuated transformation, it means lower standards of living, for that 1 percent and for the middle class... And I think in the absence of having a meaningful life outside of capital and outside of material wealth, that’s really scary."
(Naomi) "If you have a rich community life, if your relationships feed you, if you have a meaningful relationship with the natural world, then I think contraction isn’t as terrifying. But if your life is almost exclusively consumption, which I think is what it is for a great many people in this culture, then we need to understand the depth of the threat this crisis represents. That’s why the transformation that we have to make is so profound—we have to relearn how to derive happiness and satisfaction from other things than shopping, or we’re all screwed."